The Wicked Side Of Dialogue. by Dean Gotcher

The Wicked Side Of Dialogue.
(Personal note.)

by
Dean Gotcher

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16

In dialogue, with your "self" and with others, you 'justify' your "self," i.e., your "lust" for the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating and your dissatisfaction with, resentment, or hatred toward restraint, i.e., toward anyone who gets in your way, i.e., toward the father's/Father's authority. In dialoguing your "self interest" with others, while what you want regarding pleasure comes to the forefront, i.e., is made manifest and 'justified,' what follows (when you do not get what you want, i.e., do not get your way) lies in wait, i.e., your willingness to negate, or let someone else negate whoever is getting in your way (indifference is just as wicked as doing the deed yourself, if not worse), including the unborn, the elderly, the innocent, and the righteous—without having a guilty conscience. What you may not realize, this 'justifies' anyone else doing the same to you—when you get in their way or no longer serve their purpose. When you "build relationship" with others based upon "self interest," i.e., dialogue you had better watch your back. Their "self interest" could cost you your life. That is the game you play when you reject the father's/Father's authority and make your "self" the arbiter of right and wrong behavior, i.e., when you make your "self" God. When your children do it, i.e., dialogue their opinion to a consensus with other children in the classroom they are coming after you, questioning, challenging, defying, disregarding, attacking your authority for getting in their way. There is no father's/Father's authority or guilty conscience (that the father's/Father's authority engenders) for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning, i.e., for "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating in dialogue, in an opinion, or in the consensus process. There is only your child's "lusts" of the 'moment' that the world stimulates and his or her hate of restraint, i.e., hate of the father's/Father's authority when it gets in the way. If your child is still dialoguing with his "self" after having been corrected and/or chastened by for for doing wrong or disobeying, the Karl Marx in him is still alive and well, planning how to get around commands, rules, facts, and truth so he can do what he wants, or even get rid of you.

"Bypassing the traditional channels of top-down decision making, our objective centers upon transforming public opinion into an effective instrument of global politics." "Individual values must be measured by their contribution to common interests and ultimately to world interests transforming public consensus into one favorable to the emergence of a stable and humanistic world order." "Consensus is both a personal and a political step. It is a precondition of all future steps." (Ervin Laszlo, A Strategy for the Future: The Systems Approach to World Order)

"The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good. He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil." Psalms 36:1-4

"There are many stories of the conflict and tension that these new practices are producing between parents and children." (David Krathwohl, Benjamin S. Bloom, Taxonomy of Educational Objectives Book 2: Affective Domain)

All "educators" are certified and schools accredited today based upon their use of what are called "Blooms' Taxonomies" in the classroom, incorporating through dialogue "the deviant student's" ideology, i.e., the student's carnal desires of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating, i.e., the classroom environment (the student's desire for "group" approval and fear of "group" rejection—his "group grade" depends upon it, i.e., "group" approval) generates into the classroom curriculum, in the name of "tolerance." If you tolerate wrong, wrong becomes right, i.e., the "norm," making right wrong. "Relationships" based upon common "self interests," i.e., the student's carnal desires (likes/dislikes) of the 'moment,' which the classroom environment is stimulating negates his parent's authority in his thoughts and his actions, making "right" and "wrong" subject to his carnal desires of the 'moment,' which includes "the group's" approval (affirmation), negating right and wrong being determined by his parents, i.e., by established commands, rules, facts, and truth.

"The school must make room for the deviant student." "This person will be able to discriminate among values and to deviate from the moral status quo." "How such persons can be discovered, and, above all, how such persons can be produced in greater number is the major problem for research in character formation." (Robert Havighurst and Hilda Taba, Adolescent Character and Personality) If you tolerate deviancy, deviancy becomes the "norm." When you are silent in the midst of deviancy, i.e., unrighteousness, not judging and condemning it, deviancy, i.e., unrighteousness becomes the norm," i.e., the law of the land.

The "educator" (facilitator of 'change') does not have to tell the students to question, challenge, defy, disregard, attack their parent's authority when they get home from school, if they were not doing that already (telling them would be "old school," maintaining the "old" world order of being told even if it was done for the 'purpose' of 'change,' i.e., for the 'purpose' of creating a "new" world order), all they have to do is use a curriculum in the classroom that "encourages," i.e., pressures the students to participate in the process of 'change,' i.e., into dialoguing their opinions to a consensus, 'justifying' their carnal nature over and therefore against their parents authority. Being told to be "positive" (supportive of the other students carnal nature) and not "negative" (judging them by their parents standards) pressures students to 'justify' their and the other students love of pleasure and hate of restrain, doing so in order to be approved, i.e., affirmed by "the group," resulting in "the group" labeling those students who, holding onto their parents standards, i.e., refusing to participate in the process of 'change' or fighting against it as being "negative," divisive, hateful, intolerant, maladjusted, unadaptable to 'change,' resisters of 'change,' not "team players," lower order thinkers, in denial, phobic, prejudiced, judgmental, racist, fascist, dictators, anti-social, etc., i.e., "hurting" peoples "feelings" resulting in "the group" rejecting them—the student's natural desire for approval and fear of rejection forces him to participate. The same outcome applies to all adults, in any profession who participate in the process.

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9

Your heart establishes the child's carnal nature in you, i.e., your "lust" for the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating as the standard for "good" instead of doing the father's/Father's will, i.e., having to set aside your carnal desires (your "lusts") of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order (as in "old" world order) to do the father's/Father's will, i.e., in order to do right and not wrong according the father's/Father's established commands, rules, facts, and truth. Your heart is "desperately wicked" in that it hates restraint, i.e., hates the father's/Father's authority for "getting in the way," i.e. for preventing, i.e., inhibiting or blocking you from enjoying the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating. You can not see your hate of restraint, i.e., your hatred toward the father's/Father's authority, i.e., the Karl Marx in you as being evil, i.e., "wicked" ("desperately wicked") because your love of pleasure, i.e., your "lust," i.e., your "self interest" (getting in the way) blinds you to it. Like a drug your "lust" for pleasure (dopamine emancipation), i.e., your "self interest," i.e., "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life," i.e., that which the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating blinds you to your hatred toward restraint, i.e., blinds you to your hatred toward the father's/Father's authority, i.e., blinds you to your "wickedness"—which is being expressed toward the father/Father (and those who have faith in and obey him/Him), who is (are) preventing or trying to prevent you from having access to the drug, i.e., to pleasure (dopamine emancipation) when you are doing wrong, disobeying, sinning, i.e., when you are "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating—making you not just "wicked" but "desperately wicked" in your effort to attain pleasure, keep pleasure, or get pleasure back, which includes the praises (affirmation, i.e., 'justification') of men ("the pride of life"), with you removing or attempting to remove anyone who is getting in the way.

"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:15

When "self interest," i.e., "lust" is 'justified' before others it becomes toxic, ready to negate whoever gets in the way, especially the father with his authority. The wicked side of dialogue is the Karl Marx in your child, with the "help" of a facilitators of 'change' just waiting to be 'liberated.' Dialogue, when it comes to right and wrong behavior 'justifies' the students "lusts" of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating as well as their "violence (verbal and physical, i.e., emotional via rejection, censorship, etc.,) toward those students who adhere the father's/Father's authority in the classroom."

"In the dialogic relation of recognizing oneself in the other, they experience the common ground of their existence." (Jürgen Habermas, Knowledge & Human Interest, Chapter Three: The Idea of the Theory of Knowledge as Social Theory)

"It is usually easier to change individuals formed into a group than to change any one of them separately." "The individual accepts the new system of values and beliefs by accepting belongingness to the group." (Kurt Lewin in Kenneth Bennie, Human Relations in Curriculum Change)

"One of the most fascinating aspects of group therapy is that everyone is born again, born together in the group." "There is no more important issue than the interrelationship of the group members." "To question the value or activities of the group, would be to thrust himself into a state of dissonance." "Few individuals, as Asch has shown, can maintain their objectivity in the face of apparent group unanimity." (Irvin D. Yalom, The Theory and Practice of Group Psychotherapy)

"Only when the immediate interests are integrated into a total view and related to the final goal of the process do they become revolutionary," (György Lukács, History & Class Consciousness: What is Orthodox Marxism?)

"The Communist Manifesto makes the point that the bourgeoisie [the traditional, "middle-class" family respecting authority] produces its own grave-diggers [children who hate authority, through dialogue 'justifying' their "self" before one another, turning on their parents].'" (Lukács)

Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, et al., had this one thing in common. Hatred toward the father's/Father's authority. The use of dialogue, i.e., "What can I get out of this person or situation for my 'self?'" which leads to "What will happen to me if I disagree with them, i.e., if I refuse to go along with them, i.e., if I judge them when they are wrong?" makes all participants subject to the outcome, i.e., "all for one and one for all," i.e., anyone standing in "the group's," i.e., "the people's," i.e., the socialist-totalitarian's, i.e., the facilitator of 'change's' way, i.e., the individualist, under God (adhering to the father's/Father's' authority) is out, i.e., must to be negated for the "good" of "the people," i.e., the socialist-totalitarian, i.e., the facilitator of 'change' who sees himself as the personification of "the people."

"Once the earthly family is discovered to be the secret of the Holy family, the former must then itself be destroyed [vernichtet, i.e., annihilated, i.e., negated] in theory and in practice." (Karl Marx, Feuerbach Thesis #4)

"'It is not really a decisive matter whether one has killed one's father or abstained from the deed,' if the function of the conflict and its consequences are the same [the father no longer exercises his authority over the family]." "... the hatred against patriarchal suppression—a 'barrier to incest,' ... the desire (for the sons) to return to the mother culminates in the rebellion of the exiled sons, the collective killing and devouring of the father." (Sigmund Freud in Herbert Marcuse, Eros and Civilization: a psychological inquiry into Freud)

"Marxian theory needs Freudian-type instinct theory to round it out. And of course, vice versa." "Third-Force psychology is also epi-Marxian in these senses, i.e., including the most basic scheme as true-good social conditions [an environment void of the father's/Father's authority where children can "actualize" their "self" without fear of judgment or condemnation] are necessary for personal growth, bad social conditions [where children have to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline their "self" in order to do the father's/Father's aka their parents will] stunt human nature,... This is to say, one could reinterpret Marx into a self-actualization-fostering Third- and Fourth-Force psychology-philosophy. And my impression is anyway that this is the direction in which they are going now." "The whole discussion becomes species-wide, One World." "This is a realistic combination of the Marxian version & the Humanistic. (Better add to definition of "humanistic" that it also means one species, One World.)" (Abraham Maslow, The Journals of Abraham Maslow)

"I have found whenever I ran across authoritarian students that the best thing for me to do was to break their backs immediately." "The correct thing to do with authoritarians is to take them realistically for the bastards they are and then behave toward them as if they were bastards." (Abraham Maslow, Maslow on Management)

"Experience is, for me, the highest authority." "Neither the Bible nor the prophets, neither the revelations of God can take precedence over my own direct experience." (Carl Rogers, on becoming a person: A Therapist View of Psychotherapy)

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3, 4

Facilitators of 'change,' i.e., psychologists, i.e., behavioral "scientists," i.e., "group psychotherapists," i.e., Marxists (Transformational Marxists)—all being the same in method or formula—are using the dialoguing of opinions to a consensus (affirmation) process, i.e., dialectic 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings" of the 'moment,' i.e., from/through their "lust" for pleasure and their hate of restraint, in the "light" of their desire for group approval, i.e., affirmation and fear of group rejection) in the "group grade," "safe zone/space/place," "Don't be negative, be positive," soviet style, brainwashing (washing the father's/Father's authority from the children's thoughts and actions, i.e., "theory and practice," negating their having a guilty conscience, which the father's/father's authority engenders, for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning in the process—called "the negation of negation" since the father's/Father's authority and the guilty conscience, being negative to the child's carnal nature, is negated in dialogue—in dialogue, opinion, and the consensus process there is no father's/Father's authority), inductive 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings," i.e., their natural inclination to "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment'—dopamine emancipation—which the world stimulates, i.e., their "self interest," i.e., their "sense experience," selecting "appropriate information"—excluding, ignoring, or resisting, i.e., rejecting any "inappropriate" information, i.e., established command, rule, fact, or truth that gets in the way of their desired outcome, i.e., pleasure—in determining right from wrong behavior), "Bloom's Taxonomy," "affective domain," French Revolution (Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité) classroom "environment" in order (as in "new" world order) to 'liberate' children from parental authority, i.e., from the father's/Father's authority system (the Patriarchal Paradigm)—seducing, deceiving, and manipulating them as chickens, rats, and dogs, i.e., treating them as natural resource ("human resource") in order to convert them into 'liberals,' socialists, globalists, so they, 'justifying' their "self" before one another, can do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., "lust" with impunity.

"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken." Jeremiah 6:16, 17

Home schooling material, co-ops, conferences, etc., are joining in the same praxis, fulfilling Immanuel Kant's as well as Georg Hegel's, Karl Marx's, and Sigmund Freud's agenda of using the pattern or method of Genesis 3:1-6, i.e., "self" 'justification,' i.e., dialectic (dialogue) 'reasoning," i.e., 'reasoning' from/through your "feelings," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment' which are being stimulated by the world (including your desire for approval from others, with them affirming your carnal nature) in order to negate Hebrews 12:5-11, i.e., the father's/Father's authority, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to do the father's/Father's will, negating Romans 7:14-25, i.e., your having a guilty conscience when you do wrong, disobey, sin, thereby negating your having to repent before the father/Father for your doing wrong, disobedience, sins—which is the real agenda.

"And for this cause [because men, as "children of disobedience," 'justify' their "self," i.e., 'justify' their love of "self" and the world, i.e., their love of the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) which the world stimulates over and therefore against the Father's authority] God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie [that pleasure is the standard for "good" instead of doing the Father's will]: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth [in the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ], but had pleasure in unrighteousness [in their "self" and the pleasures of the 'moment,' which the world stimulates]." 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12