"Self" Preservation Through Dialogue:
'Reasoning' from/through your carnal desires of the 'moment,' 'justifying' your "self."
("Vernunft and Selbsterhaltung")

Dean Gotcher

No one knows (for certain) what you are talking to (dialoguing with) your "self" about (except God), until you tell them. When it comes to doing right and not wrong, when you leave God (preaching to, teaching, discussing with your "self" what is the right [and not wrong] thing to do—according to the established commands, rules, facts, and truth which God or the father/Father has taught you) out of your conversation with your "self," you become 'God,' i.e., "self" 'justified.' When you use dialogue in making a decision regarding right and wrong behavior/action (which requires the exclusion of any established command, rule, fact, and truth that get in the way of dialogue), dialoguing with others what you are dialoguing with your "self" about, with them affirming your "self," i.e., your "self interest," i.e., your carnal desires (and visa versa), makes both you and them 'God.'

"Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:5

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16

Dialogue deals with your carnal desires. When dialogue (preference) does not, i.e., your carnal desires do not conflict with (do not counter) the father's/Father's commands, rules, facts, and truth, dialogue, i.e., your carnal desires are ok—it is simply you choosing what you want (prefer) to put on your sub sandwich, which color you want (prefer) to paint the room, etc. But when dialogue moves into the realm of right and wrong—which is the realm of preaching, teaching, and discussion, i.e., the realm of commands, rules, facts, and truth—conflicting with (countering) the father's/Father's authority it is known as "lust," i.e., not ok—when carried out, called sin.

"From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." James 4:1-3

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." James 1:13-15

The dialoguing of opinions to a consensus process makes mankind 'God,' worshiping at the alter of "self," i.e., of "self interest," praising, worshiping , serving, and protecting the psychologist, i.e., the "behavioral scientist," i.e., the group psychotherapist, i.e., the facilitator of 'change', i.e., the Transformational Marxist (all using the same method or formulaseducing, deceiving, and manipulating , i.e., "beguiling" all who came before them, turning them into chickens, rats, and dogs , i.e., into "human resource" in the group grade," "safe zone/space/place," "Don't be negative, be positive," soviet style, brainwashing, "Bloom's Taxonomy," affective domain, dialoguing opinions ["feelings"] to a consensus , i.e., affirmation, "building relationship upon self interest" classroom—for their own pleasure and gain, i.e., "self" 'justification'), who, "helping" them 'liberate' their "self," i.e., their carnal nature ("human nature") from the father's/Father's authority, 'liberate' their "self" from (negate) the guilty conscience which the father's/Father's authority engenders (called "the negation of negation")—which is the main agenda (the desired outcome).

If you are still dialoguing with your "self," i.e., 'reasoning' ("vernunft") from your "feelings" ('reasoning' from your carnal desires of the 'moment' which are being stimulated by the world—imagined or real), i.e., 'justifying' your "self" after the father/Father has chastened you for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning you have not repented of your doing wrong, disobeying, sinning, you are saving your "self" ("selbsterhaltung") from the father's/Father's authority, making your "self" god instead (determining right and wrong, good and evil according to your own carnal nature—with pleasure being the standard for "good" and the father's/Father's authority which gets in the way of pleasure as being "evil").

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:20, 21

"Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." "Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is." Jeremiah 17:5, 7

It is in and through dialogue you become god of your own world, i.e., in your imagination 'creating' a world to your own 'liking,' i.e., in your image. It is in dialogue you 'create' a world "of and for self," 'justifying' your "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) which the world (real or imagined) is stimulating—doing so without having a guilty conscience, i.e., with impunity.

An environment of dialogue (determining right and wrong behavior) is where anyone who hates the father's/Father's authority, i.e., who hates having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline their "self" in order to do right and not wrong (according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth) wants to take you. The want to take you into and environment of "selbsterhaltung," doing so through "vernunft," "helping" you (through the praxis of dialogue) 'liberate' your "self" (and therefore their "self") from the father's/Father's authority. In doing so they make their "self" god over you, making them your savior (another Christ, i.e., a Christ who is antithetical to the Father's authority).

Dialogue (when used to determine right and wrong behavior) takes you into to a so called "new" world order where your carnal nature becomes the standard for determining what is right and what is wrong behavior, i.e., what is good and what is evil, negating the father's/Father's authority, and the guilty conscience for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning which it engenders in the process, so you can do wrong, disobey, sin with impunity, i.e., so you can be "of and for self" and the world only, dying in your sins—which was the master facilitator of 'change's' plan for you from the beginning. There is no father's/Father's authority in dialogue, only the 'justification' of the child's carnal nature, i.e., his desire to enjoy the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' which the world is stimulating.  By bringing the women, in the garden in Eden into dialogue—regarding God's command "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."—the master facilitator of 'change' was able to seduce, deceive, and manipulate her into becoming god herself—deciding right from wrong according to her own nature—'liberating' her from God's authority with a lie, "Ye shall not surely die." that she might sin and die. Genesis 2:16, 17; 3:4

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44 His lie being "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" Genesis 3:4 The truth is "every one of us shall give account of himself to God." Romans 14:12 "It is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jeremiah 10:23

Max Horkheimer, a Transformational Marxist of the "Frankfurt School," i.e., the Institute of Social Research (who merged Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud, creating "group psychotherapy"), wrote a book entitled Vernunft and Selbsterhaltung, i.e., Reasoning and Self Preservation. Those of dialectic 'reasoning' perceive any who humble or deny their "self" (in order to do the father's/Father's will) as being "unreasonable," i.e., "irrational." Did you ever tell your parents that they were being "unreasonably," i.e., "You just don't understand," when they did not let you do what you wanted to do in the 'moment,' the "reasoning" being they were not "in touch with" your "feelings," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment—your "self interest" of the 'moment'—which was more importance to you than their commands, rules, facts, and truth which stood in your way.

According to dialectic 'reasoning,' it is in the child's effort to "preserve" (save) his "self" from the father/Father authority—where he has to turn against his own nature, i.e., against "human nature," where he has to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline his "self" in order (as in "old" world order) to do the father's/Father's will—because he is not able (strong enough) to strike out against and remove that which stands in his way (of being his "self," i.e., "enjoying" or satisfying the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' he desires, i.e., doing that which is natural, i.e., of nature, i.e., being "human," i.e., being "of and for self" and the world only) all he can do is talk to (dialogue with) his "self" (in private so as not to get in trouble), 'justifying' his "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' which the world is stimulating, 'justifying' his hatred of the father's/Father's authority, i.e., murmuring against the father/Father, i.e., 'reasoning' (dialoguing) with his "self" instead, in order to "preserve" (save) his "self" (praxis "selbsterhaltung") against the father's/Father's authority. To those of dialectic 'reasoning' it is in dialogue (with "self" and others) that life takes on meaning, i.e., that "self" becomes "actualized," i.e., that "self" is 'liberated' from the father's/Father's authority.

By yielding (submitting) his "self" to the father's/Father's authority, i.e., doing the father's/Father's will, i.e., obeying the father's/Father's commands and rules, accepting his/His facts and truth as given (by faith), the child, according to dialectic 'reasoning,' "creates" the father's/Father's authority. Karl Marx wrote: "The life which he [the child] has given to the object [to the father] sets itself against him as an alien and hostile force." (Karl Marx, MEGA I/3, pp. 83-84). The Marxist Theodor Adorno wrote: "God is conceived more directly after a parental image and thus as a source of support and as a guiding and sometimes punishing authority." "Family relationships are characterized by fearful subservience to the demands of the parents and by an early suppression of impulses not acceptable to them." "Authoritarian submission was conceived of as a very general attitude that would be evoked in relation to a variety of authority figures—parents, older people, leaders, supernatural power, and so forth." "The power-relationship between the parents, the domination of the subject's family by the father or by the mother, and their relative dominance in specific areas of life also seemed of importance for our problem." (Theodor Adorno, The Authoritarian Personality)

With the father being larger and stronger than the child, instead of the child fighting against the father (and possibly dying) he yields his body and "self" (in part) to the father/Father, doing what the father/Father commands, i.e., obeying the father/Father while his heart is not in it, dialoguing within his "self" his desire for the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' and his dissatisfaction with the father's/Father's restraints, unwilling to tell anyone (for fear of the father/Father finding out and punishing him) in order to not "get into trouble." "The individual may have 'secret' thoughts which he will under no circumstances reveal to anyone else if he can help it. To gain access is particularly important, for precisely here may lie the individual's potential for democratic" "thought and action in crucial situations." (Theodor Adorno, The Authoritarian Personality).

In yielding to the father's/Father's commands, rules, facts, and truth, according to dialectic 'reasoning,' the child creates a condition called neurosis, a condition where he does that which goes against his carnal nature, i.e., makes his "self" subject to that which is unreasonable, i.e., irrational,' leaving him not only "repressed" and "alienated" but unstable as well. "Parental discipline, religious denunciation of bodily pleasure, . . . have all left man overly docile, but secretly in his unconscious unconvinced, and therefore neurotic."

Philosophy, i.e., dialectic 'reasoning, i.e., "self" 'justification' is engendered in the child as he "reasons" (dialogues), i.e., murmurs within his "self" about how the world "is," still subject to the father's/Father's authority, preventing, i.e., inhibiting or blocking him from doing what he wants to do, when he wants to do it, i.e., being "human," and how it "ought" to be, where he can enjoy the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' he desires, i.e., be human, without restraint. Without the "help" of a facilitator of 'change,' a "psychotherapist," the child will remain in a state of conflict and tension, desiring to do what he wants and even doing it but having a guilty conscience in doing so. It is in the praxis of dialoguing with others (of like desires and dissatisfactions), i.e., 'discovering' "common ground," i.e., finding his "self" within them and coming to a consensus, i.e., receiving and giving affirmation (from and to one another) regarding their common nature, that the child is able to 'liberate' his "self" not only from the father's/Father's authority but from having the guilty conscience for disobeying him/Him as well—so that he can do wrong/disobey/sin, i.e., be "human" with impunity, i.e., negate the father's/Father's authority without having a guilty conscience.

From then on, in the child's thoughts and actions (theory and practice), not only is the father/Father, and any who yield their "self" to him/Him "irrational," he/He, and they are "irrelevant" as well (having no concern of what happens to them, i.e., their demise). "Once the earthly family is discovered to be the secret of the holy family, the former must itself be annihilated [vernichtet] theoretically and practically." (Karl Marx, Theses On Feuerbach #4) This is why education today, using "Bloom's Taxonomies," i.e., Marxist training manuals, is based upon children dialoguing their opinions to a consensus, 'liberating' their "self" from the father's/Father's authority in the process. "There are many stories of the conflict and tension that these new practices are producing between parents and children." (David Krathwohl, Benjamin S. Bloom, Taxonomy of Educational Objectives Book 2: Affective Domain) This is what happened in a garden called Eden. "If the guilt accumulated in the civilized domination of man by man can ever be redeemed by freedom, then the 'original sin' must be committed again: 'We must again eat from the tree of knowledge [disregard the father's/Father's commands, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., disregard the father's/Father's authority] in order to fall back into the state of innocence.'" (Herbart Marcuse, Eros and Civilization: A philosophical inquiry into Freud) It is why the whole world is focusing upon the child. "The child, contrary to appearance, is the absolute, the rationality of the relationship; he is what is enduring and everlasting, the totality which produces itself once again as such [once he is 'liberated' from the father's/Father's authority so that he can be his "self," i.e., as he was before the father's/Father's first command, rule, fact, or truth came into his life, i.e., carnal, i.e., of the world only]." (Georg Hegel, System of Ethical Life)

"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness [doing the Father's will], and going about to establish their own righteousness [thinking and acting according to their own carnal nature, i.e. their "felt" needs, i.e. pleasures, enjoyments, "lusts," desires of the 'moment'], have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." Romans 10:3

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3, 4

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." John 5:19, 30; 12:47-50

"And he [Jesus] said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily [endure the rejection of men, i.e., "the group"], and follow me [doing the Father's will]." Luke 9:23

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8, 9

"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matthew 12:50

"Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:" 1 Peter 5:6

© Institution for Authority Research, Dean Gotcher 2017, 2019