In Dialogue There Is No "Wood Shed."
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16
In dialogue there is no "wood shed," i.e., accountability for one's thoughts or actions, there is only the persons carnal desires of the 'moment,' i.e., love of pleasure and hate of restraint being expressed. This is why those "of the world" go to dialogue when it comes to right and wrong behavior, rejecting (negating) whoever does not make them "feel" "good," i.e., like God (only God is good). The child's "Why?" in response to the father's command, that carries with it accountability for disobeying, is the child's effort to get the father into dialogue, where the child can do what he wants without accountability. It is the father's "Because I said so." that cuts off dialogue when the child refuses to go into discussion, where the father retains his authority, i.e., has the final "say."
"In an ordinary discussion people usually hold relatively fixed positions and argue in favour of their views as they try to convince others to change." (Bohm and Peat, Science, Order, and Creativity)
"A dialogue is essentially a conversation between equals." "The spirit of dialogue, is in short, the ability to hold many points of view in suspension, along with a primary interest in the creation of common meaning." (ibid.)
In a discussion you must suspend, as upon a cross your carnal desires, i.e., your "self," i.e., your "self interest" of the 'moment, i.e., you must humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to hear and receive (accept) an established command, rule, fact, or truth. In dialogue you must suspend, as upon a cross any command, rule, fact, or truth that gets in the way of, i.e., that inhibits or blocks dialogue, i.e., that prevents people from sharing their opinions, i.e., their "feelings," i.e., their carnal desires, i.e., their "lusts" of the 'moment.' In dialogue, "Ye shall surely die" is replaced with "Thou shalt not surely die."
"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:15
Discussion divides, based upon established commands, rules, facts, and truth. Dialogue unites based upon common "feelings," i.e., carnal desires, i.e., "self interests," i.e., "lusts." This is why discussion leads to majority rule, i.e., 'limited' government, i.e., "rule of law" and dialogue leads to socialism, i.e., totalitarianism in resolving public conflict (crisis).
"In the dialogic relation of recognizing oneself in the other, they experience the common ground of their existence." (Jürgen Habermas, Knowledge & Human Interest, Chapter Three: The Idea of the Theory of Knowledge as Social Theory)
"Bypassing the traditional channels of top-down decision making our objective centers upon transforming public opinion into an effective instrument of global politics." "Individual values must be measured by their contribution to common interests and ultimately to world interests transforming public consensus into one favorable to the emergence of a stable and humanistic world order." "Consensus is both a personal and a political step. It is a precondition of all future steps." (Ervin Laszlo, A Strategy for the Future: The Systems Approach to World Order)
|The soul KNOW by being told.
The flesh "knows" by
When right and wrong behavior is determined through discussion, which is subject to doing right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., what you KNOW (because you have been told), the father's/Father's authority rules. It is the father's/Father's authority, i.e., having to do right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., being held accountable for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning, i.e., for "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating that engenders the guilty conscience. When right and wrong behavior is determined though dialogue, which is subject to the persons "feelings," i.e., carnal desires ("lusts") of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating, the carnal nature of the child, i.e., "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life" rules.
"Preventing someone who KNOWS from filling the empty space." (Wilfred Bion, A Memoir of the Future)
|The 'moment' the master facilitator of 'change' got the woman in the garden in Eden into dialogue, regarding right and wrong behavior, he knew he had her.|
This is why those "of and for self," i.e., "of the world" go to dialogue, i.e., cut off discussion whenever personal-social issues come around, so they can do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., can "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating without having a guilty conscience, i.e., without having a fear of the "wood shed," i.e., fear of being held accountable for their thoughts and actions (since they are God). There is no wrong, i.e., no "wood shed," i.e., no father's/Father's authority in dialogue, or in an opinion, or in the consensus process. There is only the carnal nature of the 'child' being expressed without fear of accountability, removing, without having a guilty conscience, anyone who gets in the way to pleasure, i.e., "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life," including the unborn, the elderly, the innocent, and the righteous, satisfying their hearts desires.
"The heart is deceitful above all things [thinking pleasure is the standard for "good" instead of doing the father's/Father's will, i.e., having to set aside your carnal desires of the 'moment,' i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order (as in "old" world order) to do the father's/Father's will, i.e., in order to do right and not wrong according the father's/Father's established commands, rules, facts, and truth], and desperately wicked [hating the father's/Father's authority that "gets in the way," i.e. that prevents, i.e., inhibits or blocks you from enjoying the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world stimulates]: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9
|A facts (discussion) based student placed in a "feelings" (dialogue) base classroom is going to be 'converted' or be martyred.|
You can not see your hate of restraint as being evil, i.e., "wicked" ("desperately wicked") because your love of pleasure ("self interest"), getting in the way, blinds you to it. Like a drug, pleasure (dopamine emancipation), i.e., "self interest," i.e., "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life," which the world stimulates blinds you to your hatred toward restraint, i.e., blinds you to your "wickedness" which is being expressed toward those who are preventing (or trying to prevent) you from having access to the drug, i.e., to pleasure (dopamine emancipation) when you are doing wrong, disobeying, sinning—making you not just wicked but "desperately wicked" in your effort to attain pleasure, keep pleasure, or get pleasure back.
To enjoy the present reconciles us to the actual." (Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel's 'Philosophy of Right')
For Karl Marx et al. it is the child's carnal nature in you, i.e., "It is lust that reconciles you to the world," 'justifying' the negation of (violence against) those—including the unborn, the elderly, the innocent, and the righteous—who get in the way of the carnal pleasures, i.e., "lusts" of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating. According to Karl Marx, et al. anyone standing in the way of the child's carnal nature, i.e., "lust" is committing an act of violence against humanity. Dialogue, not having a "wood shed," i.e., a "fear of God" for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning, for "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating "reconciles you to the world."
"The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good. He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil." Psalms 36:1-4
For synthesis, i.e., consensus, i.e., affirmation, i.e., "self" 'justification' to take place the "wood shed," i.e., father's/Father's authority, i.e., the "fear of God," i.e., the guilty conscience for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning, i.e., for "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating, i.e., discussion has to be made subject to dialogue, i.e., has to be removed (negated). In dialogue there is accountability for you not joining in, i.e., your being 'labeled' and censored, losing your job or any hope of having a "good" one, being rejected with no concern from those doing it, not caring what happens to you, in your depression, if your hope is not in the Lord, taking therapy, with the therapist taking money out of your pocket, i.e. your children's inheritance, or their making money from government programs to "help" you ("helping" you with someone else's money, saying they care), saying to their self as you pass away, "am I my brothers keeper?" When money comes out of your pocket you go to discussion, in order to make sure it is used wisely. When someone else wants your money, for their own pleasure, they get you into dialogue, so they can use it without being held accountability.
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3, 4
Facilitators of 'change,' i.e., psychologists, i.e., behavioral "scientists," i.e., "group psychotherapists," i.e., Marxists (Transformational Marxists)—all being the same in method or formula—are using the dialoguing of opinions to a consensus (affirmation) process, i.e., dialectic 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings" of the 'moment,' i.e., from/through their "lust" for pleasure and their hate of restraint, in the "light" of their desire for group approval, i.e., affirmation and fear of group rejection) in the "group grade," "safe zone/space/place," "Don't be negative, be positive," soviet style, brainwashing (washing the father's/Father's authority from the children's thoughts and actions, i.e., "theory and practice," negating their having a guilty conscience, which the father's/father's authority engenders, for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning in the process—called "the negation of negation" since the father's/Father's authority and the guilty conscience, being negative to the child's carnal nature, is negated in dialogue—in dialogue, opinion, and the consensus process there is no father's/Father's authority), inductive 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings," i.e., their natural inclination to "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment'—dopamine emancipation—which the world stimulates, i.e., their "self interest," i.e., their "sense experience," selecting "appropriate information"—excluding, ignoring, or resisting, i.e., rejecting any "inappropriate" information, i.e., established command, rule, fact, or truth that gets in the way of their desired outcome, i.e., pleasure—in determining right from wrong behavior), "Bloom's Taxonomy," "affective domain," French Revolution (Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité) classroom "environment" in order (as in "new" world order) to 'liberate' children from parental authority, i.e., from the father's/Father's authority system (the Patriarchal Paradigm)—seducing, deceiving, and manipulating them as chickens, rats, and dogs, i.e., treating them as natural resource ("human resource") in order to convert them into 'liberals,' socialists, globalists, so they, 'justifying' their "self" before one another, can do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., "lust" with impunity.
"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken." Jeremiah 6:16, 17
Home schooling material, co-ops, conferences, etc., are joining in the same praxis, fulfilling Immanuel Kant's as well as Georg Hegel's, Karl Marx's, and Sigmund Freud's agenda of using the pattern or method of Genesis 3:1-6, i.e., "self" 'justification,' i.e., dialectic (dialogue) 'reasoning," i.e., 'reasoning' from/through your "feelings," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment' which are being stimulated by the world (including your desire for approval from others, with them affirming your carnal nature) in order to negate Hebrews 12:5-11, i.e., the father's/Father's authority, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to do the father's/Father's will, negating Romans 7:14-25, i.e., your having a guilty conscience when you do wrong, disobey, sin, thereby negating your having to repent before the father/Father for your doing wrong, disobedience, sins—which is the real agenda.
"And for this cause [because men, as "children of disobedience," 'justify' their "self," i.e., 'justify' their love of "self" and the world, i.e., their love of the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) which the world stimulates over and therefore against the Father's authority] God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie [that pleasure is the standard for "good" instead of doing the Father's will]: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth [in the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ], but had pleasure in unrighteousness [in their "self" and the pleasures of the 'moment,' which the world stimulates]." 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12
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